#1997 - July 25, 2014, 8:31 a.m.
The big problem with russians vs EU or germans vs EU is one side all speak the same language and have similar pvp goals and organisation where eu is 9 times out of 10 a motley crew who speak a few different languages and half of them are in boosted greens. The success rate against german and russian relms is terrible and has greatly lessened the fun factor in pvp this expansion.
You know, every time most of us get into a ,supposedly random, battleground and its versus russians..most people just want to leave straight away. This is because of the following reasons:
1.) They all speak the same language, where as the 'english' realms do not, having a multitude of languages spoken. Latin is atleast in the same alphabet as the 'english' languages, cyrilic is not.
This is something that only affects English realms, French, German etc. obviously don't have this issue. Having said that, the vast majority of players that opt to play on 'English' realms do speak English, at least enough to get by in a BG. Many of you believe Russians can understand English just fine—if that's true the same should also apply to people playing on EN realms. More so in fact, because for the most part our "motley crew" all shares the same alphabet.
2.) Cyrillic is unreadable for the majority of the players. i'd guess only countries near russia and 1% of other players would be able to read russian. This makes it impossible to targetcall and report for cheating once they are out of sight or in stealth again.
Yup, I've noted your issues with Cyrillic characters. I'll also point out though that target calling by name is problematic, not just against Russian players. You'll often come across characters with names such as "Uaaxjuuooc" (yeah I just made that up but you get the point). In theory, you could face a group of European players with names like this, or even names that are the same, with accents being the only difference (Dkrulez & Dkrúlez). Point is, unpronounceable names are not something that are exclusive to Russians vs Europeans. With all that said, I will of course continue to bring this up.
3.) Russian teams are nearly always premades who have full prideful and are, once again mentioning it, are much more organised wheras the 'english' groups are not. This is unsolveable as a random group will more likely than not just not listen to any given person, even if this person clearly has for example a prestigious pvp title.
As others have already pointed out, Russian players don't have access to any advantage that European players do not in terms of game features. They're organised and they often go into BGs with friends, just as good European players do.
4.) The fact that when you leave, you get a 5 minute deserter buff that goes up every time you leave is quite unfair simply because we are getting punished for not wanting to get farmed like crops in the summer (which happens regularly against those teams).
You'll get a debuff if you desert a game against Russians or any other European group. Russian players also get a debuff when they desert a BG, too. Not sure how this is a disadvantage for Europeans specifically facing Russians.
Lastly i'd like to say that i hope the European blizzard-people who are in charge of this are aware of this glaring problem that hits so many of us who enjoyed pvp up untill this......change. This merger hasn't brought any fun to pvp and has infact drained it from the 'english' groups and pumped it straight into the russian ones, since they are probably (and judging from the rude emotes of them against enemy corpses) laughing and enjoying slaughtering the unorganised mass of people that blizzard decided to put up against them. Frankly, i don't think many people would mind a slightly longer queue if it means to no longer go up against russian premades.
I've seen and passed on your feedback, and that from others who share your views, yes. I've also seen feedback from players who enjoy the changes this has brought to PvP. Russian teams have certain tactics which Europeans certainly found challenging at first, but the tide is definitely turning...
22/07/2014 15:04Posted by
Jito I have a question though. Do you know how, or if, this is going to relate to Ashran in WoD? I mean with connected realms, cross-realm stuff, and EU and RU players being paired against each other in PvP, is that going to extend to Ashran somehow?
I'll seek clarification on that.
22/07/2014 16:13Posted by
Evaze you seem to think that it's not possible to have russians ON our team
ever heard of oQueue?
The majority of feedback in this thread is about Europeans facing Russians and the challenges they face when doing so. Having Russians mix in with English groups without the use of an addon is actually something I've seen suggested by players who find Russian tactics difficult to fight against, but I'm not sure how that would go down with everyone.
22/07/2014 16:31Posted by
Noctus But to turn Takralus question the other way instead of asking us what the disadvantages are. What are the advantages of doing so that can outweigh the Cyrillic problem.
Is there perhaps a pilot period. Let's see how it goes got x months and if there are many negative reports turn it back as easily
The queue advantage is quite a big one. Some of you haven't noticed much of a difference but there was a huge improvement for others.
ding ding ding! we've reached a 100 pages of unsatisfied customer feedback! time to split up russian and european realms! admit your mistake and move on blizzard Europe! :)
A large portion of the comments in this thread, especially in the last few pages, were discussions between the same handful of people who are
for and against Russian vs. European battlegrounds, which hardly matches your description.
We're continuing to monitor the situation, not just for EN but all the other European languages. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to give your thoughts. If you could keep it on-topic and avoid personal arguments though, I would very much appreciate it :-)
