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Aligatro
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#1 - 2015/05/02 12:33:00 AM
Dear Blizzard,

I don't pay you to have my WoW launcher infested with advertisements of some random youtube channels. Please don't do that again. Your own services are fine though.

Thank you.

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#17 - 2015/05/02 01:23:00 AM
05/01/2015 05:42 PMPosted by Speedslink
05/01/2015 05:39 PMPosted by Ysha
The dude was voted the #1 PvP streamer on Twitch as well.


Yup, he won the recent Blizzard-sponsored voting. It's more of a "community spotlight" type video than an advertisement.

People need to calm down.

Correct! When and where we can we like spotlighting members of our community who have a positive impact on their peers and create compelling content. Hopefully it's something we can continue to do. :)

05/01/2015 05:33 PMPosted by Aligatro
I don't pay you to

I don't think this is ever the start of a constructive statement in any context.

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#51 - 2015/05/02 02:05:00 AM
We want to promote members of the community who create compelling content and are positive influences to those around them. That's all. :)

We just think some in the community could benefit from being exposed to the creativity of others out there. If we have additional opportunities to inform and entertain the community with content from their peers, we think that's a good thing.

If this doesn't apply to you or you're not interested in being a part of it, we're certainly not forcing you to click on anything in the launcher -- and never have -- to play the game, other than the button to launch the game of course!

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#59 - 2015/05/02 02:11:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:10 PMPosted by Zzero
05/01/2015 07:05 PMPosted by Zarhym
We want to promote members of the community who create compelling content and are positive influences to those around them. That's all. :)


Understandable.

05/01/2015 07:05 PMPosted by Zarhym
We just think some in the community could benefit from being exposed to the creativity of others out there. If we have additional opportunities to inform and entertain the community with content from their peers, we think that's a good thing.


I think all people like bahjeer can benefit from stuff like this, so I see this as a great thing.

05/01/2015 07:05 PMPosted by Zarhym
If this doesn't apply to you or you're not interested in being a part of it, we're certainly not forcing you to click on anything in the launcher -- and never have -- to play the game, other than the button to launch the game of course!


...I always have some invisible hand forcing me to click on your stuff..Telling me I might find something to stop my endless hunger for some content. Not sure if u can remove the haunting spirit that forces me to click it but....Wait a min...*looks at zarh icon*....WHY DO YOU POSSES MY HAND TO CLICK YOUR LINKS?!?!?!....WHYYY!

Because I care! Okay?! Gawwww!

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#65 - 2015/05/02 02:12:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:11 PMPosted by Fairaday
Videos of WoW players shouldn't be on the bnet app.

That's absolutely a valid opinion with which we happen to disagree.

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#77 - 2015/05/02 02:19:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:13 PMPosted by Alidir
There are members of the community that are a positive influence that don't give you free PR. There are a plethora of good and helpful players that go ignored because they don't give you free advertising... I mean create compelling content.

We're not ignoring other content creators or positive influences in the community by not including them all at once in this highlight. Surely that's not an abstract conclusion.

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#82 - 2015/05/02 02:21:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:18 PMPosted by Boggyb
05/01/2015 06:23 PMPosted by Zarhym
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I don't think this is ever the start of a constructive statement in any context.

It is a terrible business practice to ignore legitimate customer complaints because you don't like them.

This is not me sitting here on a Friday night responding to this thread because I want it to be ignored. What are you talking about?

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#97 - 2015/05/02 02:31:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:22 PMPosted by Alidir
05/01/2015 07:19 PMPosted by Zarhym
We're not ignoring other content creators or positive influences in the community by not including them all at once in this highlight.


No but in 8 years I have never seen you guys spotlight anyone who wasn't giving you free advertisement. Not once have I seen you (as in Blizzard) spotlight a normal player.

Your youtube advertisers already get perks from you guys. Why not focus on the everyday player who doesn't make ad revenue from streaming your game.

I don't know how you define normal, but I'm pretty sure we're at an impasse. You seem to disregard any player the moment they start a YouTube or Twitch channel to share their own WoW-related content and gameplay.

You can claim that it's because you think we just love the PR or advertising. I think it's way overly judgmental and even cynical.

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#108 - 2015/05/02 02:36:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:25 PMPosted by Hackx
I really wish threads like these wouldn't get highlighted by Blizzard CMs. It only helps to reconsider my part in this community sometimes, and attracts more of this entitlement that is rampant throughout a lot of communities. There's a video of a community person that you don't have to click and it gets a thread, and replies, to even further bring in more people, and I can only wonder why it is important.

Life is too short to be so cynical and mad about things like these, but I do imagine I'm making a moot point in a forum like this, so I'll leave you folks to it.

It's actually a great point, though I'm not sure if you'll read my reply to it. I just wanted to clarify our intent behind this highlight and, ideally, future highlights like it. The concept is pretty straightforward: highlight community content on the launcher when we don't have anything particularly pressing to put up ourselves at a particular time.

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#120 - 2015/05/02 02:43:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:38 PMPosted by Rixna
05/01/2015 07:31 PMPosted by Frostmouron
Launcher sounds like it should mostly "launch games"


That's what running an .exe file does. A launcher is a space that has information about a game or games including promotions and any relevant news or patch notes. That's exactly what they're using it for, too.

And I'm really glad, 'cause some days I don't check the forums so having info there helps me find it easier, and also informs players that may not regularly check for information on the game that there are things happening in the community.

The launcher has more reach than any external media, including their own website.

Great summary of the launcher. :)

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#121 - 2015/05/02 02:45:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:39 PMPosted by Fairaday
05/01/2015 07:36 PMPosted by Zarhym
It's actually a great point, though I'm not sure if you'll read my reply to it. I just wanted to clarify our intent behind this highlight and, ideally, future highlights like it. The concept is pretty straightforward: highlight community content on the launcher when we don't have anything particularly pressing to put up ourselves at a particular time.


If you must put videos on the launcher, then I would rather see you guys highlight the dev team, the art team, the music team, the CM team, the quest team, etc. Those are the true content creators.

That's understandable. And we do that every chance we get, though those teams are obviously filled with very busy people. And some weekends we might like to show what others in the community are doing. This is one of those weekends.

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#128 - 2015/05/02 02:51:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:43 PMPosted by Alidir
You can insult me Zar all you want. You know exactly what I mean when I say "normal player". Players that do not give you free pr on social media but the players who log in and are helpful to the community everyday without getting paid for it or without getting free perks from you guys.

They don't share their wow related content and gameplay out of the kindness of their hearts or for love of the game. They do it for the same reason Blizzard makes games and that is for money and some very minute fame.

We're at an impasse because of stated beliefs you hold like this:

05/01/2015 07:43 PMPosted by Alidir
They don't share their wow related content and gameplay out of the kindness of their hearts or for love of the game. They do it for the same reason Blizzard makes games and that is for money and some very minute fame.

To me this is saying you either do something you love, or you seek to make money, but it can't be both. That's to suggest, along with previous statements you've made in this thread, that I'm not a player or member of the community, and I cannot legitimately be passionate about Blizzard games, because my job involves a paycheck.

I wasn't insulting you. That's objectively cynical.

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#130 - 2015/05/02 02:54:00 AM
05/01/2015 07:47 PMPosted by Fairaday
05/01/2015 07:45 PMPosted by Zarhym
That's understandable. And we do that every chance we get, though those teams are obviously filled with very busy people. And some weekends we might like to show what others in the community are doing. This is one of those weekends.


Fair enough. I've had my say and hopefully I've made it clear what I didn't care for and hopefully it was clear that I wasn't attacking the streamers. Have a good weekend.

You too, Fairaday! I appreciate the constructive, critical feedback nonetheless!

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#502 - 2015/05/05 12:08:00 AM
I know this thread is capped. I'm just catching up on some of the posts that came in over the weekend and want to point this one out as a tremendous example of giving constructive feedback on a topic. It's critical of our decision pertaining to the topic of discussion in this thread, but it's a very reasonably expressed opinion for us to evaluate.

I'd be so happy to see more people layout their protests in this manner, for whatever they may be.

05/01/2015 10:35 PMPosted by Moordenaar
05/01/2015 10:28 PMPosted by Primex

Why don't you want that content in the launcher? is it really so important to you? how much time do you spend on average even looking at it? Genuine questions, cause I don't get how it's even remotely an issue.

Because that content is of no interest to me. It's not terribly important to me; I'm not going to click it, either way. It's not an "issue" - that's what I'm getting at. People are saying it's an "issue" when in reality it's a preference.

Game companies especially like to talk about how much they care about player feedback. My feedback is that the content they are choosing to back in the launcher is uninteresting and I'd prefer that it not be there. I have my own reasons for disliking streamers and the relationships they have with game companies, but that's not the main point. At the end of the day, it's content I don't want and my feedback is to remove it, for whatever that's worth.

05/01/2015 10:29 PMPosted by Arbs
But it is useless complaining about something that doesn't hinder or prevent you from playing the game at all.

You don't have to click on it, the point is that just because you don't want doesn't mean it can't be there. Ignore or Avoid it.

Useless? Why?

I know I don't have to click it. I'm not going to. But forums are for feedback, and that's what's being given. It's not useless to give feedback - it's what the company wants you to do! For instance, if they learned that this sort of feature was largely ignored or unliked, they would avoid doing it in the future, saving themselves effort and freeing up space for different content.

But they won't know that unless you tell them.

Unlike others here, I'm not 'demanding' that it be removed. I'm not saying that because I don't like it, no one should see it. I'm saying that as a user of the launcher, I don't want that content in it. That's all. No demands, no lectures.

I don't think that sort of feedback is unreasonable OR useless.