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#1 - 2014/02/23 08:28:00 AM
There are some pretty... sizable Continuity issues in WoD.
ill will be addressing the following :Zangermarsh turning into "The Sea of Zanger"
Blade's Edge turning into Gorgond and touching on Terokkar and Talador.
Hellfire turning into Tanann is Correct and stays within continuity very nicely and is a unique twist.

First im referencing the Novel :"Rise of the Horde" by Christie Golden

(id like to point out i understand the "timeline" and how blizzard is useing it. that we are going back. but in an alternate "time line" i get it)

i had read this book about 5 years ago and vaguely remember this but needed more information. I
felt it necessary to read before WoD anyway as a refresher. i have found the Following and am citeing the work so it can be referenced and verified. mind you this is the stand alone version of the book. Not the Archived one.

one thing im not going to cite but is valid in this. the time the orcs had warlocks was about, a year and a half, before they end up leaving the planet. it is HIGH HIGH HIGH implied in the book at many points that the warlock magics helped hurt the land, that coupled with the ABSENCE of Shamen a combination effect with massive altercations.I will be giveing a "Ball park" time frame with each Work Cited.

Firstly and most important to me is Zangermarsh.
It is being shown on the WoD site that where the Zangermarsh is, the Sea of Zangar resides now.
Zangermarsh in someway would have had to have "existed ".even if it was small.
here is the passage:

"The orcs did not know about the Zangarmarsh. They had not yet sniffed out this hiding place,and if Velen had anything to say about it,they never would."
page 323 : Apx one year of Warlock magics.

this States plain as day it was there. in some way shape or from. in this chapter the story of Velen being "forced" to leave behind hundreds of his people to die while a small group leaves shat, before the assault of the Horde. Zangermarsh being the destination of there escape.

Second is Blade's Edge
It is shown on the WoD site that Gorgond is where blades edge is. while it looks mountainous in the art. it looks more... Dourtar mountainous that Blade's Edge style. That is an issue in some ways, while the book does not reference the "Appearence" of the mountains, it does reference the name of them.

"the orges had told them where thier masters lurked and led them to this place-an opening at the foot of the Blade's Edge mountain chain."
page 259 :Apx between six months and one year of warlock magics

The Blackrock Clan are going to see the Ogres in BLADES EDGE, to see if they can get some to join them.

Third, i looked and looked tho, i cant find Terokkar again. i finished reading yesterday and remember seeing it .tho in my scanning could not relocate it.with all of the "T's" in the book.

My "issue" with this is simple , if for some reason it is merely a name change thats fine, i guess.im just curious as to how and hope to find out as to why. the "zone" in both seem relatively the same in almost every way. its just a name change not a huge continuity issue especialy sence i dont have evadence of wording.

of Topic siteing

I love the Dragonmaw. and am curious if anyone thinks well see them in WoD, they are a "pre-portal clan, as show here, i see many people saying they are not but they are. now as to where they got there name. i know not. but its very exciting to find out

"" Now,look at us! We stand shoulder to shoulder, clan by clan, Laughing Skull next to Drangonmaw,"

page 302 [ there is another passage about them earlier in the novel, but i chose not to use both. one gets the point across]
this is Gul'Dan speaking to the Horde at the very end of the book.

Last thing the once hidden city of Telmor, i DONT recall it in any Outlands quests and assume it will be in WoD in some way shape or form. tho i havent done those quests in years. i should get a new character and redue them before saying anything tho i didn't not find any thing about this city either via seach engine or this offical site.I hope to see some light on this as well

These are things im curious of. i have read all the rules of this form. ive search the site for some one who has asked this question for quite a awhile . unable to find someone. or any information (even via search engine") i came here, hopefully to get some closer in my issue of continuity, i digress

World of Warcraft... What say you?

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#34 - 2014/02/28 07:43:00 PM
02/23/2014 12:28 AMPosted by Gartherix
World of Warcraft... What say you?


Hay Gartherix! Can I call you Garth? I was reading over your post, and although I'm not well versed in the intricacies of Warcraft lore, I do enjoy learning about it. I reached out to Craig Amai, lead quest designer, who you might have seen on stage at BlizzCon, and he gave me a few tidbits on how these things fit in. So I actually do have some answers for you!

02/23/2014 12:28 AMPosted by Gartherix
Firstly and most important to me is Zangermarsh.
It is being shown on the WoD site that where the Zangermarsh is, the Sea of Zangar resides now.
Zangermarsh in someway would have had to have "existed ".even if it was small.
here is the passage:

"The orcs did not know about the Zangarmarsh. They had not yet sniffed out this hiding place,and if Velen had anything to say about it,they never would."
page 323 : Apx one year of Warlock magics.


While much of what we know from Outland used to be under water, there is a small piece of marshland called Zangarmarsh in Draenor, and is relatively close to Shattrath. It would indeed be the logical place for Velen to try to escape to.

02/23/2014 12:28 AMPosted by Gartherix
Second is Blade's Edge
It is shown on the WoD site that Gorgond is where blades edge is. while it looks mountainous in the art. it looks more... Dourtar mountainous that Blade's Edge style. That is an issue in some ways, while the book does not reference the "Appearence" of the mountains, it does reference the name of them.

"the orges had told them where thier masters lurked and led them to this place-an opening at the foot of the Blade's Edge mountain chain."
page 259 :Apx between six months and one year of warlock magics

The Blackrock Clan are going to see the Ogres in BLADES EDGE, to see if they can get some to join them.


The Bladespire Mountains exist in Draenor, and the held theory by historians is that the Blade's Edge Mountains formed as Gorgron and Frostfire were driven into each other during the breaking of Outland. There may well be nods in Draenor toward the name Blade's Edge, and the future that is yet to come.

02/23/2014 12:28 AMPosted by Gartherix
Last thing the once hidden city of Telmor, i DONT recall it in any Outlands quests and assume it will be in WoD in some way shape or form.


You will be able to visit Telmor in the expansion, Leafshadow and all, though you may be arriving too late to appreciate its full glory...

Hope that helps! :D