#1 - 2012/11/13 05:37:00 PMBlizz LOVES to say they appreciate our feedback and really do listen to what we say.
I have one question: Where's the proof?
All I hear is doublespeak, which has several defining features:
-pretends to communicate
-makes the bad seem good
-avoids or shifts responsibility
-creates incongruity between reality and what is said or not said
I know plenty of examples where it seems feedback is being ignored.
1) CRZ - has there been any changes to this other than the correction of bugs? Has anything been more screamed about? I am yet to see anything to really make CRZ more enjoyable for players. and then's there's the who 2-passenger fiasco. Where it went from unknown bug, known bug, to actually being an intended part of CRZ.
Aferall, everything in this game ends up being "as intended"
2) Brawler's Guild
Again, we get a large blue post, so they do seem to know we are upset.
However, the latest patch of 5.1 is now marked for live, and the brawler's guild remains exactly as planned.
I'm going to focus on the plain-out misleading done here. They championed the fact that they were removing head enchants, spoke to us at length about how pandaria would be the expansion where we could do whatever we want, and grind/quest wherever we wanted.
The reality: they removed head enchants, put virtually everything else behind faction grinds.
I mean, what people hated the most in cata was doing the dailies for the rep enchants, and blizz seemed almost giddy to tell us they were being removed. Then they replaced it with about 6 versions of it, lowered the vp cap, gold in dungeons, and effectively made dungeons useless once you have heroic gear.
TL;TR: Very tired of being mislead and lied to by this gaming company.
I want to make it very clear that I actually enjoy questing and dailies. Take a look at my rep, only AC left. My issues are with Blizz PR. They first say one thing that sounds promising, then say something else, that seems completely contradictory to the first announcement and removes the positive of the first announcement. It's a horrible typical blizz pattern:
Announcement 1 about X: Sounds awesome!
Announcement 2 about x with more details: Souns horrible, couldn't it be tweaked?
Announcement 3 about x: we hear you have issues. We want to hear them please!
Then X is released as intended without any tweaks. Case in point, the brawler's guild in 5.1
I also feel this latter post does a much better job of articulating the point I am trying to get across. I apologize for not being more eloquent.
11/13/2012 10:54 AMPosted by MaigraithA couple simple recent examples would be raising the Arena and Rated Battleground base point caps or the upcoming changes to the way that Pandaria faction reputation is gained by alternate characters on an account.
I don't really agree with the OP's premise that Blizzard never listens, but this is a really bad example of Blizzard listening to feedback. It is, in fact, a prime example of Blizzard completely missing the point of feedback. We asked for an alternative to the daily grind, especially for alts, and you gave us a way to make the rep grind quicker. That isn't a solution to the issue we've raised.
The OP is quite hyperbolic, but I kind of see where he's coming from. Obviously, Blizzard has done a good job of listening to feedback historically, but -- and this may be my imagination -- it does seem like you're taking more of an, "our way or the highway" philosophy lately. Don't like dailies? Too bad; we're not offering an alternative model of progression. Don't like CRZ? Too bad; there's not going to be an opt-out.
I think you guys have forgotten -- or never realized -- that one of the things that made WoW so great was that it was a "big tent" game where people had a lot of choice in how to play. Moving away from that is only going to lead to players feeling disenfranchised.
And now, we have exampleS within THIS VERY THREAD:
Also, the OP pointed out you guys say stuff that isn't even true and back it up like it is.
because there was no other way to obtain those particular power increases no matter what else you did in the game
You could level Inscription for the shoulder enchant. But I guess in your book "no other way to obtain those power increases" doesn't include, you know, an alternative way to attaining those power increases.
11/13/2012 09:17 PMPosted by HaurdNoticed you simply skipped the part about ignoring CRZ and Brawlers guild feedback.
I didn't read every page, just the Blue posts but... Did they completely skip over the main issue the OP talked about which was CRZ...
I saw talk on the third issue regarding enchants and the dailies... but no CRZ... Which kind of proves OPs point in making the fact they ignore half the important issues that go on and talk about the miniature things like enchants