#1 - 2012/11/01 04:54:00 PMPlease LFR is the worst thing ever and I'm sick of feeling that I have to run it to get a gear edge for normal raiding.
Please make it share a lockout so raiders are not forced into the monstrosity that you have created.
11/01/2012 10:06 AMPosted by Buttercookieyou don't have to do LFR so don't!
You are gimping your raid group by not running it. I'm sick of feeling that I have to suffer through the mess that is LFR each and every week.
Blizzard made 10 and 25s share a lockout because 25 man guilds were "forced" into running the lower skilled 10s for extra gear each week. This new system is no different but 100x worse due to the nature of LFR.
11/01/2012 10:16 AMPosted by ButtercookieDon't ruin it for others by placing restrictions on something that is supposed to be accessible to all.
LFR is accessible to everyone. That is the point of it, for those that can't raid.
As everyone has pointed out in just about every post in this thread there is no need to run LFR if you're doing normal modes so all you normal mode raiders should not care, right?
11/01/2012 11:21 AMPosted by CutaiaOP is right, and doesn't take things far enough. If I don't do dailies for elder charms, get rep and valor points, finish all the questlines, or run random scenarios until I get the best iLevel 463 pieces, I'm gimping my raid. They need to stop making all this content so mandatory by attaching gear to it all. Really, it also sucks that if I don't raid every week, I end up falling behind and gimping my raid. They should just remove all this gear as drops and purchases and just give everyone a flat overall iLevel that increases each week all by itself. That way I can just do the stuff I like and not worry about doing anything else that I perceive as being beneficial to my gearset, just because I happen to want the best gear I can get.
11/01/2012 11:25 AMPosted by ButtercookieI'm especially unsure what point you're trying to make here, as it seems like you're invalidating your own argument.
My point is that everyone including you has now said there is no need to run LFR and Normal each week, so why would any normal mode raider care that they could only do normal modes over LFR difficulties each week?
11/01/2012 11:29 AMPosted by ButtercookieTo answer your questions in your first post Z since you like to derail and troll and get paid to do it to your paying customers.
11/01/2012 11:29 AMPosted by ButtercookieAre you in a guild that has success with Heroic raid progression?
In the past yes, we will be starting heroic progression mixed in with HOF this week.Is your guild demanding that you run LFR every week for the chance at some upgrades you haven't made via normal difficulty yet?
It's not demanded. But as I already said and as you know for some of us its about being in the best possible set up you can achieve on your character. Maybe those slight numbers between 463 and 476 aren't much but added up over multiple slots it adds up a lot.How badly are you really hurting your raid by not running LFR?
That's subjective as there is no true way to find out. Let's just assume a raid group of ten people each person has two pieces of LFR gear, that's a lot of extra stats across the raid and def helps against something like a elegon fight with tight enrages.
11/01/2012 12:15 PMPosted by ButtercookieThat was in response to your second post in the thread Z, and ya buddy you knew what you were doing with it and got the responses you wanted of the 11/10 and lolol Zarhym owned that guy blah blah blah. It was rude and not an open dialogue.
While I don't agree with him, his point was pretty obvious.
His point was that there's no harm in making them share a lockout. LFR was created to allow non raiders to see end game content. If you're not raiding normal and heroic raids, it won't affect you, as you'll still be doing LFR just the same. If you are raiding normal and heroic raids, you're not one of the players who LFR was aimed at and shouldn't care about "missing out" on it as long as other raiders are as well.
The biggest flaw with this plan, of course, is that for decent guilds that aren't hardcore about progression, you'll run LFR for a while before even attempting normals, as 6 chances at 476 loot is going to help you clear content better than 1 chance at 489 loot (particulary the weapons). It also kills pugs, as people aren't going to forego LFR for a week just to maybe kill one boss and then have the raid fall apart, at least not until they're mostly geared out in LFR gear.
Seems non "professional forum posters" understood my point just fine.
1) LFR will remain relevant through this particular tier because it is the first one.
LFR is relevant right now. For sure. My guild for an example is 3/6 H, and 25 man (so we get bonus loots), and at least a third of my raid could still use an upgrade from LFR just due to RNG. We're still going in there! And, when you release HOF and Terrace LFR, I will certainly be in there tons to grab my tier. I have to plan all these LFRs into my week. I know this is a unique situation right now because it is the very beginning of the expansion. I am hoping that you guys' plans to devalue LFR for raiders kick in in a couple tiers with the ilvl changes; however, at this very moment, you should really believe that raiders of ALL flavors are running it.
2) Valor Points.
LFR represents a larger quantity of VP than even raiding. VP is important now for gear, and will be important in the future for our upgrade paths; the cap is pretty far away by design. As long as that holds true, and as long as LFR rewards so much VP, we'll all be running LFR.
3) Not every HM raider hits a new tier in Best in Slot.
You guys are opening instances very quickly. I appreciate that we are being provided with lots of raids, but you must understand that there are tons of times when LFR - at that single moment in time - represents an upgrade path for a given raider even if they are clearing a lot of heroic mode bosses.
4) Procs and tier bonuses will be devalued, but once in a while there might come one that's OP.
You also assume that the ilvl change will completely devalue LFR gear. I hope this will be true, but I suspect the devs - who try as hard as they can - will still occasionally throw in a very op set bonus or trinket proc. These things just happen.
11/01/2012 01:38 PMPosted by ButtercookieZar said he wanted a discussion, yet seems to ignore the sensible well articulated points in favor of making fun of the OP.
Blues do this a lot. It's an easy way for them to deflect negative discussions and lets all their fanboys come out and derail the threads for them.
It is a little frustrating that I pay for the game and other blizzard games then get bad mouthed by their employees on a gaming board.
If I went to a store that I frequented and was insulted by the equivalent of a salesman, there would be much different repercussions.