#1 - Oct. 16, 2010, 11:12 p.m.
Here is a list of reasons to bring even ONE holy pally to a raid:
.... That is all...
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Perhaps if GC would explain -- why -- these changes came down the pipe we could understand the "devil in the details".
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Have you ever heard of the saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Well, you broke it. Can you fix it please :)?
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I'm going to sum up everything that GC said in response to paladins. "We at Blizzard don't care about Holy paladins, and never will. So in Cata, we have made them unuseful and will not do anything to change that fact. Thanks, and have a great day!"
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I think that Elo hit most points square on the head. The top point that he made concerns Enlightened Judgments and Protector of the Innocent talents. I am not sure how exactly Blizzard attains all of the information needed to decide whether a class needs a buff or to be toned down. But from our perspective, we have meters and sites like World of Logs. These 2 talents are the only thing keeping us in the healing column, albeit in last place, but still. The worst part of this is that these heals provide absolutely no benefit to our raid group. Yet, in a majority of the fights, Protector of the Innocent is in the top 3 in terms of our healing done. This is simply unacceptable.
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In a game where parity is the goal it was broken. Not saying you couldnt have kept the same niche based healing model but I think most of us understand that with parity as the goal we needed changes.
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However alot of us who have seen the endgame, have seen these sort of issues playout before see the problems on the horizon. The current mechanics of light of dawn and HR are going to cause you nightmares if you try to balance them. That wouldnt be a problem if they werent huge spells, but they are pillars of the paladin now, its going to cause big problems if our pillars are bad in 5 mans, ok in 10 mans, and omgwtfjesus in 25s. For parity we need to be competitive in all phases of the healing game, atm we arent.
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And to touch on the current situation on live servers, its disheartening to play a class that is so weak, even if you have a belief that at 85 it will be ok. I would love to hear that you guys are willing to turn those knobs a bit for 80 balance, even if they get turned back.
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Still waiting on a response about DP vs. Innervate.
I don't see a reason why we still have a 50% reduction on our healing.
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Also, I would like to point that you only talk about the 'greatness' of Light of Dawn in 25m raids. Well, since the Blizzard design is now 'bring the player, not the class', I would like to know how we are going to work around Light of Dawn healing two or three people, if correctly positioned, while our other AoE heal is on CD.
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The problem is that Druids and Shaman aren't required to spec into Battle Rez and Reincarnate. If a Paladin chooses to not spec into PotI they HAVE to choose a DPS talent that has no effect what so ever on healing. Enlightened Judgements can't be skipped because missing a Judgement is far too costly, and if you are judging just as the buff is running out to avoid wasting mana on Judgements then you will be without a major buff until the cooldown is finished and hope RNG loves you.
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That is what you get when you try to directly compare spells or abilities between classes, there are far too many other factors to be considered to really effectively do that.
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I believe the latency issue with Holy Power is being addressed, Blizzard knows it is a problem so I believe that it is only a matter of time before it's resolved.
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Are you sure it's not a numbers problem and not a playstyle problem? As you said they are bugged caps and range might be an issue. I haven't used Holy Radiance but this statement goes counter to everything I was looking forward to in Cata with my Holy spec...
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I'm still concerned about mana regen - primarily Divine Plea...would you consider increasing the mana return siginicantly, along with the healing reduction and cd? (and if not, please a brief explanation as to why)
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I understand what the poster of your quote is trying to convey, but the Blue's typically respond better to ideas and details....saying "it's broken" even in an "inspirational" way doesn't help them see what you believe the problems are.
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Still seems like it would be tricky to balance our single target throughput while simultaneously having 50% of said throughput transferred to a secondary target without being overpowered :<
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Even if SoI does proc on judges, it wouldn't even break even when casting Judge on cooldown. On live, we gain mana back by judging on cooldown. On beta, we average ~500 loss per cast assuming it could proc on Judgement.
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Are you simply trying to remove "niche healing"? Such as tank healing, or raid healing, essentially do you want all of the 5 different healers to be able to accomplish it just in a different way?
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make up ur mind do you want us as raid healers or single target healers.