#0 - 2010/08/08 07:40:44 AMI dont understand vengeance. I understand its purpose but not its implementation.
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All tanking specs will have Vengeance as their second talent tree passive bonus. Whenever a tank gets hit, Vengeance will give them a stacking attack power buff equal to 5% of the damage done, up to a maximum of 10% of the character's un-buffed health. For boss encounters, we expect that tanks will always have the attack power bonus equal to 10% of their health
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If you've spent much time on this forum in the last several months, you'd have noticed a common theme is that tanks start to have threat problems again at extreme levels of gear. The problem really isn't that surprising. Say that tanks start out doing half the damage of DPS specs. All is well. But the DPS specs continue to improve their DPS stats while tanks continue to improve their survival stats. Even if tanks spend a little effort on threat stats (some of which they get naturally on their gear), they still can't keep up with the DPS specs. It's a gear scaling problem.
We considered, and rejected, many other solutions to the problem, such as increasing threat modifier or choosing to no longer make tanking gear. Ultimately we decided that there were good things about the way rage works on warriors and bears (translating incoming damage into threat) and the way the mage talent, Incanter's Absorption turned damage taken into damage done. It just provides the damage increase in a way that's controllable.
Vengeance is NOT there so that you no longer have to ever worry about threat. It's fine with us if you have to consider threat a little bit at the start of a fight. Again, if we wanted to make threat not a factor in WoW, we'd just remove it and have mobs always stick to you rather than just cranking the threat numbers up so high that you don't have to take it very seriously.
Vengeance is also not designed to keep tank dps high no matter what in any circumstances. It's designed so that when you're being hit, your damage stays elevated. The damage done scales with your health, essentially allowing tank DPS to increase as DPS specs DPS increases. It scales a little bit with damage being taken too so that you don't turn into a juggernaut if a rogue sticks you with a dagger in PvP.
Why use this awkward and round about method to implement vengeance? Why not just have vengeance be a scaling threat modifier? Would it not be a lot less cumbersome if vengeance increased your threat X% for each Y% increase in health? This implementation would not require an awkward stacking mechanic and would allow tanks to scale in threat with dps without having to risk any type of pvp ramifications.
Why do we need this clunky (i use this word hesitantly seeing as it has lost all meaning on these forums) method to have our threat scale? Instead of a smooth transition in threat from one tier to the next we will have to build up this mechanic slowly and risk it being slowed down even further by an avoidance streak. It just seems to add unneeded complexity to an already complex system.