Mild, Medium, Spicy, Hot.

#1 - May 24, 2011, 10:43 p.m.

Mild, Medium, Spicy, Hot.
Regular, Heroics, Raids, Heroic Raids.

casuals cry that they cant have everything on the menu: "Please take the spice out of that dish!!!! It's toooooooooo HOT!!!!!!!"

hardcores cry about casuals trying to remove variety from the menu: "Stop trying to make everything on the menu as bland as a slice of wonderbread!!!!!!!!"

There should be room for both folks. Sadly most people can only operate in the extremes. On these forums more often than not it's the squeaky wheel that is not only given the grease, but given credence as well....from both sides of the pew.

given the amount of normal and heroic content, anyone that is honestly casual cannot claim with a straight face that they do not have MORE than enough to do in cata, and with T12 content just around the corner, having easier access to T11 gear will make your mild and medium content even more so. As this expansion progresses so will your access to more and more content, with raid nerfs and future gear improvements more accessible. Once 4.2 is released I believe it is only a matter of time before even the most casual of folks can log in on a friday night and pug any of the T11 normal content, and with each patch progress to see the next tier. They may not see every hardmode encounter this expansion has to offer, but I fail to see the need for some folks to be so selfish as to deny other people from being able to experience hard content that is honestly, well, hard.

With the comming 4.2 raid nerfs I've seen cries about nerfing current content. If its content you've cleared, why would you care? Your armory will show the dates on which you or your guild killed who and what, your personal pride remains intact, and the fact is, if you really are as hardcore as you claim to be, you wont be stepping back into T11 content on your mains again until firelands content is on farm, and even then, just to tie up any loose ends like achievements for drakes and the like. So if you have no intention of ordering that item on the menu again, what do you care if its no longer spicy but rather reduced to medium? It makes no difference whatsoever to your experience, and it allows others to see content that they would not normally have access to. moreover, your alts will have a large pool to draw form on friday night pugs, with several casuals eagerly awaiting the opportunity to see things that you are now long tired of.

You know im right, however, im pretty sure 99.99% of you just complain to hear yourselves complain. casuals and hardcores alike.

Bashiok

Community Manager

#12 - May 25, 2011, 12:33 a.m.

I think the biggest issue now is that Cataclysm didn't launch with an intro raid tier. We're now following through with the stair-step method of having one hard raid and one intro raid, but it took a while to see the plan through -- which is obviously a bit jarring. So now we have a new tier, VP converts to JP, the old tier gets stepped down and the new hotness is going to be that difficult climb.

I think if we had the intro tier/hard tier available (as we will in 4.2) when the expansion first launched it would feel more natural now to see that stair step just moving forward. With the current setup it seems like we're the bad guys going in and messing with your stuff, and that view is somewhat based on not really including the new harder tier in the equation since it's not available yet. It's just not going to be an issue when the new content is available, but for now it's something to make observations and personal declarations about.

Bashiok

Community Manager

#20 - May 25, 2011, 12:53 a.m.

05/24/2011 05:43 PMPosted by Lamp
And does that mean that if it's supposed to be a stair step that we're still going to be encouraged to do the old "Stairs" beyond if we're helping with the legendary chain?

If you've completed Blackwing Descent/Bastion of Twilight then you should focus on Firelands (you're ready to step up), but if you haven't yet seen most or any of BWD/BoT we want to make sure you're able to as soon as 4.2 comes out - not spend weeks running dungeons and grabbing the new gear before you can start progressing.

The content has been out quite a while, there's no reason to make people wait and spend even more time running dungeons to grab the new gear before they can start on raid content they haven't seen yet.

Bashiok

Community Manager

#24 - May 25, 2011, 1:01 a.m.

05/24/2011 05:55 PMPosted by Lamp
So to be more direct: Will Bot/BWD still be dropping Valor Points?

Normals will drop JP, Heroics will drop Valor.

Of course, keep in mind, the nerfs that were announced only apply to Normal.

Bashiok

Community Manager

#58 - May 25, 2011, 1:54 a.m.

05/24/2011 06:19 PMPosted by Supernerd
You mean the tier with only 7 bosses? The one with the encounter journal that everyone thinks gives too much information and will trivialize learning the fights? That tier?

Having information on boss abilities within the game will make fights easier than alt+tabbing to a website to read literal strategies, group placements, phase descriptions, if not ways to cheese the encounter? Pardon my sarcasm, but that's amazing! And logical.

If you're cutting edge you've already seen the bosses on the PTR, you've already read the strategies before the patch is anywhere near release. What amounts to ability tooltips is not going to tell you how to beat a boss, or make you or your raid competent enough to do so.

It's a cool feature to put drop tables within the default UI, let people get some info on the bosses, and hopefully keep them from having to tab out of the game just to get (usually incorrect) boss ability info from the internets.