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Ok, then I'll say it: Tankadins don't need +spellpower weapons so long as your Base +spelldamage is around +100-150.

Gonna try to make the 'raid tank first' argument with me? Check my gear before you try :) I'm tanking 25-mans (Gruul, Mag, TK and SSC) as well as 10-mans (Kz).

I've seen many protection paladins who believe there is a set amount of spell damage that you should have for each tier of PvE raid dungeons. The fact of the matter is, there is no set amount. It's completely contingent upon the dps capability of your raid. If your dps is low, you'll need less spell damage to maintain threat. If you're not having problems holding aggro in tempest keep sporting 150 base spell damage then your dps is very undergeared, or you are limiting their dps output by making their damage limited by the threat you're capable of generating.

Option three is that you got secrets and skills that we all aspire to achieve.

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At 4 AM (here) no less.

Sorry, early morning text vomit. :P

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Out of Random Curiosity, even though i doubt i'll get a response since ya'know you get asked 1000 questions a day.
Why can't we armory your character!
I mean can't you just take out the name /realm on it and we can go check out what your Class fella is sportin!

I think it would make very interesting thread topics "Rate Eyonix's gear!"

What do you want to know, I'll share.

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Have you progressed into endgame on your Tankadin yet and if so how far?

I'm up to Vashj in SSC and Kael in TK, currently.

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What weapon are you using currently?

Still using the sword from keepers of time, revered.

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What weapon are you planning on getting?

Heh, with the weapon I'm using, there are a few potential upgrades for me.

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Excellent!

Its encouraging to see that Blizz employees actually play Tankadins in the end game. Liking it thus far? Any problems with the spec you'll care to share with us?

Do nudge upstairs every once in awhile will ya. We've gotten really great boosts post-BC but there are still problems outstanding that result in us being relegated in favor of our Warrior and Druid brethren.

I don't see anything too glaring yet, but there are some slight improvements I would like to see at some point in the future. In example, I'd like my avenger shield to have a much faster cast time so I can use it in combat for extra threat as needed.

And honestly, I love my protection paladin.

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Awesome. What role do you most often play when tanking? Solely add tank? Or do you tank as many encounters as your guild's other tanks (provided you have equivalent gear)?

And how are you enjoying pally tanking in the end game content so far?

I've been off-tank, main-tank, healer, add-duty, etc...

Depends on where we're at, what we're fighting, and our current raid roster.

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curious on what your avoidance is

Defense Rating?
Dodge
Parry,
Block and unbuffed HP?

have a general guess on your spell damage with that sword, will no for sure plus or minus from the rest of your stats.

Unbuffed stats

Defense: 501
Dodge: 17.96
Parry: 16
Block: 27.41
Hp: 14,500 and some change
Spell damage: 390

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Make a horde 29 pally twink (or any class for that matter) and come fight me!

lol how bout we just meet up on the test realm and flex at each other. :P

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Good call. A lower casting time would mean an extra attack in our armory. As it is I do try to utilize avenger's shield as an extra attack during a boss fight every once in awhile. The problem with that, however, is the loss in casting time when one is pounded on by a mob. Factor in critical cooldowns such as holy shield and it means that I rarely use the ability when I absolutely need holy shield up.

Well the larger probem is you can't block or parry when casting, so mitigation goes way down, and if fighting a raid boss, you're probably going to be very crushable.

But, in general we're in agreement.

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so about that 2.4 tankadin badge loot :P any chance you guys will improve it before live? As is I'll be looking to gear up in the 2.3 stuff and 2.4 legs only.

What don't you like about it?

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The spell hit mostly. Spell hit only effects JoR, Holy shield, and the first tick of consecration, making it significantly less useful than spell damage for threat.

And now that our taunt works on melee hit (great change btw) spell hit has very little effective use.

Spell hit should not be a priority stat, however, it should also not be underestimated, imho. Also, was looking at your talents just now. A way you could compensate is to grab the 2.4 heroic items, and drop one point from precision, placing it then in improved judgement, which should end up in a nice threat boost. You'll likely end up with a nice overall increase to threat generation.

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I'm certainly happy he's here. Even moreso that he has progressed moderately deep into endgame on his paladin and is giving experienced feedback to the devs.

Okay, I'm sending myself to bed now because I'm already risking almost no sleep at this point. =)

If I have time, I'll chat some more this week.

Good night (err...good morning?), all.