#171 - Aug. 1, 2008, 1:30 a.m.
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These are called PvP servers. They already exist.
It's not accurate to compare a PvP realm to a single zone with the PvP ruleset. Whether you're questing, farming, or doing anything in the world on a PvP realm, PvP is intrusive. A single PvP zone that does not punish players who do not go there is non-intrusive to the PvE ruleset.
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If having non-flagged players in the zone breaks it, then it was either poorly thought out and/or badly coded, and needs to be fixed.
I've yet to hear any good reason from anyone in this thread why there would be a positive purpose for players who do not intend to PvP to enter the zone. If the zone is made for players to fight against the other faction, why would you want to go there without a PvP flag?
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The 'no consideration' road runs both ways. Manual flagging has worked on PvE servers since the beginning, and there's little reason to change this now.
I can agree, which is why the system for manual flagging is not being changed on PvE servers except in a single PvP zone where the entire purpose of being there is to engage in PvP combat, whether you're on a PvP server or not.
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You're exactly right. Wintergrasp needs to be instanced.
There will be a new instanced Battleground with some very new tactics released with Wrath of the Lich King. The purpose though that Lake Wintergrasp has as a non-instanced PvP zone is not trivial. A lot of players, myself included, kind of miss being able to fight specifically with the opposing faction from our own realm. The multi-queuing system is great for being able to enter matches at-will with very short wait times, but having more of a tangible connection to the enemy can be a good thing as well. Making this Battleground not instanced means players won't have to wait in an indefinite queue to fight against members of the opposing faction on the same realm.
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Actually, both sides are advocating that everyone play the way that side wants, so it's really a moot point anyway. Sometimes it's entertaining enough just to argue.
I disagree. Players have a choice to go to Lake Wintergrasp, which is what those who are in favor of this PvP zone are standing behind. I'm actually not even sure what your argument is anymore, so I guess it's comforting to know you're at least entertained by being contrary.