MMO-Champion BlueTracker

2009-01-06 12:55:57

Why oh why GC, Why are Rogues the only class with -2- changes, when we are one of the classes that needs them the most?(Behind Death Knights, and I realize that balancing a new class might take priority)
The 2 changes may have been buffs, but I don't believe that removing the FoK Cooldown will increase my Raid Boss DPS. Anyway, I was just wondering why there has been no mention of things that MIGHT happen to the Rogue class. No input on your part on what you think should be changed, or suggestions on what fixes may buff our PVE DPS. A simple question really, I just hope you respond.

Ryuuji

2009-01-06 13:25:28

Re: GC: Why?

Not the most informative title you could have picked. :(

As someone mentioned, Mutilate rogues seem great in PvP and pretty competitive in PvE (and will probably be spot on when some other outliers are brought down). We realize the other two rogue trees aren't keeping up and we definitely want to see them get there. We also want to make sure the rogue group buffs feel competitive. This is a touchy subject because so many classes will claim there is no reason to take them to a raid, or that their buffs are inferior to someone else's counterpart. There is a grain of truth to some of the latter claims, but there is also an awful lot of of hyperbole.

Ghostcrawler

2009-01-08 13:08:03

Re: GC: Why?

Q u o t e:
It's because GC disproportionately posts on bad threads because he doesn't want to ruin good ones.

There is some truth to this. I greatly appreciate the good threads, but sometimes even popping in to say so can turn it into a bad thread. Blue posts tend to attract flies (I know *that* one will get quoted). Players also sometimes get frustrated if I just say "Good post" without going line by line through all of their points. It's an understandable position, but a difficult expectation for me to meet.

I wish players wouldn't GC-ify every title, but I'd rather spend my time reading good posts than trying to enforce that. You have to pick your battles.

I do think it's pretty lame when players dismiss someone's PvP concerns because a class is good in PvE or vice versa. While we have to balance both aspects of the game, not every player cares equally about both, nor is every topic about both.

Most intelligent, honest players would probably agree that rogues are a little too good in PvP and weaker than the top dps dealers on raids -- but since many of those top dealers are getting nerfed, hopefully rogues will be in a very good place after 3.0.8. But all of that is for one spec of rogue. We feel that hunters will have 3 viable trees in 3.0.8 and we'd love to get rogues into that same place. It's just harder for rogues.

One idea I see a lot is to give a little bit more armor pen to deep Combat and I think there are a lot of things we can do to deep Subt. But those changes all need to be deep, or rogues will just skim off the top of any tree to maximize their dps. Making haste, and perhaps armor pen too, a little more beneficial to melee will also bring them up, though that may mean nerfing some other classes. These aren't announcements, just the kind of things I see on the forums.

Ghostcrawler