Yes, you can do the Daily Random Heroic with a premade group.

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Can you choose to do the random heroic daily with a premade group of 4 without having to pug the 5th slot or does the new lfg ui not allow that?

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You need a full group of five people to start the Daily Random Heroic through the Dungeon System. If, however, a player leaves the group once everyone is inside the instance, the group can continue without filling the vacancy.

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Just wondering, where did you see that bosses will drop triumphs now?

I can't find that anywhere, and I don't think it's accurate.

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All Wrath of the Lich King bosses in the current raid and Heroic dungeons will drop Emblems of Triumph when patch 3.3 hits.

The Daily Random Heroic will award two Emblems of Frost upon completion (can be done once a day). The Daily Random normal dungeon will award two Emblems of Triumph upon completion (can be done once a day). If players continue to select "Random" via the Dungeon System when running Heroic dungeons after the Daily Random Heroic dungeon has been completed, they will receive two additional Emblems of Triumph for each random Heroic dungeon completed.

Emblems of Frost will drop in the 10- and 25-player Icecrown Citadel raid... and perhaps if another boss stumbles into the Vault he'll drop them as well. ;)

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All repetition aside, I don't lump "all heroics and raids" together with "all the bosses" because they are seperate and distinct entities. Boss =/= Heroic / Raid. All heroics and raids can just as easily mean the final boss will drop Triumph Emblems...but only the final boss and it would STILL be "all heroics and raids" without being all bosses.

In other words...check your attitude at the door. I want a totally and completely unambiguous answer.

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Yes, what I meant to say was that all bosses in the current Wrath of the Lich King raid and Heroic dungeons will drop Emblems of Triumph once 3.3 hits. I'll clarify that in my original post.

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First Random Heroic, all bosses drop Triumph and final boss will drop Triumph and you will earn 2 Frost

First Random Normal, all bosses and final boss drops nada and you will earn 2 Triumph

All other Random Heroics will drop Triumph and final boss will drop Triumph, nothing more to earn.

All other Random Normal bosses will drop nada.

Blizzard is gearing people in T9 gear. To a lot of people who have been farming Conquest, they are pretty useless at this point. I wouldn't doubt that you will be able to downgrade to Conquest.

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That's almost correct except for the third line (I've clarified this in my original post as well). If you complete the Daily Random Heroic dungeon for the day to earn two Emblems of Frost in addition to the Emblems of Triumph which drop off of each Heroic boss, you can continue to select the "Random" option for Heroics in the Dungeon System. Doing so will award you with two Emblems of Triumph upon completion of each dungeon in addition to the Emblems of Triumph which drop off of each Heroic boss.

Edit: In my first sentence I said "second line." I mean "third line." ;)

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I'm pretty sure you mean that's correct except for the third line. The second line doesn't reference heroic dungeons, but normal dungeons.

Unless you mean to say you also get 2 triumphs for doing random normal dungeons in addition to getting 2 triumphs for doing random heroics, but I wouldn't see this happening, due to unlimited normal dungeon runs, so people would just stop running heroics for triumph emblems. :P

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Yea, I meant third line. I've edited the post. Man... it's revisionist history for me today. :p

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What happens when your group falls apart before the completion of the random heroic? (assume you are saved as a result now)

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As it works on the test realms right now, it's no different than if a group were to fall apart mid-run on the live realms today. If anyone leaves the group or gets kicked though, the leader will be asked if he or she wants to continue the instance. If the leader chooses to continue, the group will automatically be put back into the Dungeon System to find more members.

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Q u o t e:
How exactly do you know what the random heroic is? Or you just get awarded for the first random heroic you run as if it was the daily, no matter what random instance it is?

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Yes, you get rewarded for completing the first Daily Random Heroic dungeon you do on any given day. It doesn't work like a quest anymore, so the choice will be random for each group formed through the selection of this option.

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Do you get rewards for using the tool within your realm only or must you use the battlegroup search to be rewarded?

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You can form a group of five players on your realm and then select the Daily Random Heroic dungeon through the Dungeon System tool. You will be rewarded just the same except for the fact that you will not get credit toward the pick-up group Achievement reward.

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Q u o t e:
Can you decide if you want to look for people in your realm alone or the tool will just mix and match?

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If you're looking for party members via the Dungeon System, it will always look for eligible characters queued within your Battlegroup. You will need to use the Looking For Group chat channel in a major city or form a group on your own terms if you want to keep the group confined to players on your own realm. This doesn't make you ineligible for the Daily Random dungeon rewards though.

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Q u o t e:
How is the gear requirement determined? is Blizzard implementing their own Gearscore?

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The Dungeon System will make sure players are of the appropriate level, have the appropriate attunements for a dungeon (if applicable), and look at the average item level of each player. The system will put together a group according to the roles (tanking, healing, DPS) players have selected to fill and attempt to match characters as best as possible according to the items they have equipped.

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Q u o t e:
So will LFR be cross realm?

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No, the LFR system will be for your realm only in patch 3.3.

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Will the new members be warned, say, that they've been chosen to join a dungeon already in progress with X bosses dead and be given an option to join or wait for a fresh run?

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Yes.

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Maybe I missed it somewhere (couldn't find any mention of it in the patch notes), but will we be able to downgrade Emblems of Triumph at the vendors like all the other emblems with 3.3, in case we need a few of the lower level emblems for an item?

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You can already downgrade Emblems of Triumph. That functionality will not be taken away in 3.3.

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Cool...so new 80's can skip everything and go to Icecrown! Yay! I think it's awesome that your players won't see any of the other content in the game. This is an excellent idea, really.

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If a player literally "skips everything" as you say once they hit 80 and goes straight to raid Icecrown Citadel, he or she will be steam-rolled. Hey look, nice name. :)

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Will a dungeon leader be given the option to continue the raid without adding more members? I've been in more than one pug where a problem child QQs and leaves, and the run goes a lot faster with the 4 than it did with the full 5.

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Yes, the leader can choose not to have the Dungeon System fill vacancies.

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On the ptr, there was a gold reward for doing the random the first time along with the frost emblems?

Is this still the case?

If so, will there be a gold reward for additional random dungeon runs after the first one completed?

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We're still discussing this.

There are a lot of questions coming in. I'll try to answer as many as I can, but we'll also work to put together a FAQ about the Dungeon System and LFR tool to spread awareness about the way they function.

Please bear in mind all of this functionality is subject to revision during the public testing process.

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Is there going to be some information released about minimum gear item level requirements, and how to calculate them? I doubt it will be an issue for most characters, but from observation on the PTR it looks like brand new level 80s and some very undergeared alts are going to be unable to queue for both ToC/Icecrown normal instances and all Wrath heroic instances through the new system. More feedback than "get better gear" would be helpful in that case.

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We'll look into this.

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When is the particular dungeon determined and is it fixed if you degroup? Say you find yourself assigned Oculus and you have no desire to do that. If you degroup (taking the deserter debuff) and jump back into LFG 15 minutes later, are you locked into having Oculus once it has been assigned once even though you haven't completed it?

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The dungeon is determined once the group is filled. If the group does not like the instance that's been selected, they can leave, get the Deserter debuff, and try again to get a different random dungeon once the 15-minute debuff dissipates.

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Are the random dungeon emblem rewards independent based? By this I mean, say I join a group where a few members already did their first random dungeon for the day, but I have yet to do a reward. Will I still get my 2 Emblem of Frost or will I get 2 Emblem of Triumphs.

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As long as you select to do a random Heroic dungeon and it's your first for the day, you will be given the daily reward for completing that dungeon.

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Is a character still limited to doing each dungeon in heroic mode once per day? That is, if one continues to use the "Random" option, is it possible to get the same heroic dungeon more than once in a day?

I'd assume not; that is, the list of available heroic dungeons would be reduced each time you complete one, until (if you were really keen and fast!) the list would be empty until the daily reset.

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If the Random option is repeatedly selected, players can run the same Heroic dungeon more than once a day. If a specific dungeon is chosen through the Dungeon System, that specific dungeon cannot be chosen more than once a day.

You could technically be given, say, Heroic Culling of Stratholme repeatedly when choosing the Random option and be eligible to repeatedly run that Heroic dungeon in one day. You cannot, however, repeatedly choose Culling of Stratholme in the Dungeon System.

If you run Heroic Culling of Stratholme through the Random option, you cannot select that Heroic instance specifically again in the Dungeon System. If you choose to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme rather than pick the Random option, there is a chance you will be selected to run Heroic Culling of Stratholme again if you pick the Random option later that same day.

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Cool. So any news on your next move to screw over pugging? Maybe hand out free achievements for killing KT even if you've never stepped in Naxx? Sounds like a good idea. Because people with no experience whatsoever need to cause fails in ToC too right?

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Perhaps if you phrased your questions in a more constructive way rather than presenting rhetorical complaints in the form of questions, I'd be inclined to discuss matters more in-depth with you. :)

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Can a specific dungeon be excluded when you hit the Random Dungeon?

If you are already saved to a dungeon what happens if that turns out to be the one chosen by the Random Dungeon?

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No, you cannot exclude a dungeon through the Random option. As I said above, being saved to a Heroic dungeon will not render you unable to run that Heroic dungeon again if it is selected at random.

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What should be the medium for deciding if someone is competent for a PuG raid anymore?

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Performance, Achievements, gear, etc. I don't see how the Dungeon System changes this. The LFR system will afford players who want to raid additional options for finding the best group and raid leader. Nothing is fundamentally changing with regards to expected performance in a pick-up raid. We're just giving players more tools to find a raid (realm-only) or dungeon (cross-realm) group. Each player is still accountable for his or her performance.

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Q u o t e:
When you say that the random group system matches item levels with other players, does this mean that it tries to group people with a similar item level, or of an average item level?

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It's going to try to group people with similar gear together, similar to the Arena system attempting to match teams with relatively equivalent ratings against each other.

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You sort of answers this before, but if I got put in a dungeon that I -really- didn't want to do as my first random heroic of the day, and I drop group, wait the 15 minutes and join a new one, do I still get the 2 Frost Emblems? Or do I -have- to take the first random heroic that is presented to me to earn my Frost?

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No, you will still be eligible for the daily loot even if you don't complete the first random Heroic dungeon you enter.

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Honestly, there's not much of a motivation for that. As a tank, I would rather tank for people at my gear level, for threat reasons mostly. All my gears item budget has gone into survivability, and relatively little in tps, so when grouping with people that have a gearscore approaching 1000 more than me, threat can be a concern.

I think people worry too much about people wanting to be carried. It can happen, but it's not as common as people expect, really.

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I understand your concern. As I stated before, we'll work on putting together a FAQ and try to include some details on how players are going to matched and how requirements for various dungeons are determined.